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ROBERT13 Aide non qualifié
Nombre de messages: 10 Localisation: Marseille Emploi: Commercant Date d'inscription: 26/03/2006
 | Sujet: Video de Fernand Meyssonnier Mer 18 Oct 2006 - 23:26 | |
| Une vidéo de Fernand meyssonnier, expliquant une exécution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BkIEu0wBSyc |
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HalifaxGibbet Aide confirmé

Nombre de messages: 31 Age: 35 Localisation: Canada Date d'inscription: 18/10/2006
 | Sujet: Re: Video de Fernand Meyssonnier Jeu 19 Oct 2006 - 7:07 | |
| C'est un bon petit vidéo. Ce qui m'a frappé le plus était le bruit du mouton tombant sur la lunette, c'était vraiment, je dirai frémissant... J'ai du écouter a ce son a plusieurs reprises, tout en imaginant qu'il était rendu un peu moins résonnant par le bloquage momentaire du cou d'un infortuné criminel dans la lunette. Bravo pour votre trouvaille! Est-ce que vous avez aussi vu les vidéos de l'éxecution de Weidmann, et l'autre des guillotinés en Indochine? Ils sonts aussi disponibles pour le moment sur YouTube.  |
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 | Sujet: Re: Video de Fernand Meyssonnier Jeu 19 Oct 2006 - 9:05 | |
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Dernière édition par le Dim 29 Oct 2006 - 22:04, édité 1 fois |
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Boisdejustice Monsieur de Paris

Nombre de messages: 1311 Age: 54 Localisation: USA Emploi: Ingenieur Date d'inscription: 29/01/2006
 | Sujet: Re: Video de Fernand Meyssonnier Jeu 19 Oct 2006 - 15:02 | |
| I did not see or hear the blade fall in the Meysonnier video on YouTube... just the upper lunette board closing. Is there another video where he shows the blade/mouton falling? Or maybe I just misunderstood the message.
The sound of the guillotine can be heard in the movie "The Battle of Algier" for which they used a real 1868 guillotine. |
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HalifaxGibbet Aide confirmé

Nombre de messages: 31 Age: 35 Localisation: Canada Date d'inscription: 18/10/2006
 | Sujet: Re: Video de Fernand Meyssonnier Jeu 19 Oct 2006 - 21:19 | |
| | Boisdejustice a écrit: | | I did not see or hear the blade fall in the Meysonnier video on YouTube... just the upper lunette board closing. Is there another video where he shows the blade/mouton falling? Or maybe I just misunderstood the message. |
I could have sworn that he dropped the lunette board and then actioned the déclic, albeit the blade was not fully raised. Hmm, that reminds me of something. In a few pictures I have seen of the guillotine "at rest" , the mouton is not fully sitting on the lunette, but about a foot or two above it. How do they get it to stop like that? Probably some sort of stops in the grooves, or something... |
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Boisdejustice Monsieur de Paris

Nombre de messages: 1311 Age: 54 Localisation: USA Emploi: Ingenieur Date d'inscription: 29/01/2006
 | Sujet: Re: Video de Fernand Meyssonnier Jeu 19 Oct 2006 - 22:16 | |
| Actually the mouton never sits on the lunette. The entire assembly blade/mouton passes behind the lunette and hits the bumper springs at the end of the grooves, bouncing a few times before coming to a full rest.
The blade/lunette position is similar on the 1792 model (but no springs) as well as on the German and Swiss guillotines.
The mouton-on-top-of-the-lunette design is only found on the Aurora fantasy model as far as know.
The blade cutting through a slot in the lunette is also a product of the imagination. Only a few of the real machines even had a double lower lunette (Brugge, Lucerne) but that's as close as you get to a slotted lunette.
As far as holding the blade at midpoint for a photo it is almost always done by tying down the rope in the mid position, as you can see on the famous 1907 picture from the Folie-Renault alley. There were no stops in the tracks and the blade could not be dropped from half height as it could on the German fallbeil. |
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HalifaxGibbet Aide confirmé

Nombre de messages: 31 Age: 35 Localisation: Canada Date d'inscription: 18/10/2006
 | Sujet: Re: Video de Fernand Meyssonnier Jeu 19 Oct 2006 - 22:38 | |
| | Boisdejustice a écrit: | | Actually the mouton never sits on the lunette. The entire assembly blade/mouton passes behind the lunette and hits the bumper springs at the end of the grooves, bouncing a few times before coming to a full rest. |
Oh, okay. I wasn't sure. Everything happens so fast in the videos I've seen. If I had the money lying around I would definitely buy one of your models, examining it in detail would probably be very education. I keep looking over your handiwork on your site, it is pretty amazing. When I first visited I was just awed by the pictures and hadn't read the text yet - from the level of detail I thought your models were full scale.
| Citation: | | The blade cutting through a slot in the lunette is also a product of the imagination. |
I realized that, but it's sort of a shame. If there were a double lunette, preferably with a gap big enough to stretch the neck out, with the blade sliding between, the neck would be well braced and unable to retract, thus eliminating the need for a "photographer", and possibly preventing some injuries from the blade or the bites of hysterical clients.
| Citation: | | As far as holding the blade at midpoint for a photo it is almost always done by tying down the rope in the mid position, as you can see on the famous 1907 picture from the Folie-Renault alley. |
Oh, duh! I should have thought of that. I'm so dense, lol.
| Citation: | | There were no stops in the tracks and the blade could not be dropped from half height as it could on the German fallbeil. |
What would be the point of dropping the blade from half height, anyway? Especially on a fallbeil, those things are so short and stunted to begin with. |
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Boisdejustice Monsieur de Paris

Nombre de messages: 1311 Age: 54 Localisation: USA Emploi: Ingenieur Date d'inscription: 29/01/2006
 | Sujet: Re: Video de Fernand Meyssonnier Ven 20 Oct 2006 - 6:01 | |
| The German fallbeil blade assembly was so heavy it could do the work even if with a reduced drop height. With multiple executions in close succession, during the Nazi era, I read that the executioners raised the blade only part way to speed up the process. The blade would have had to be dropped by releasing the ratchet on the crank/winch and let the cable unwind as the normal mechanism only grabs the blade when it is fully raised. This seems like an unlikely procedure but that's what the story said.
Thanks for the compliment on the models. |
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CHANTAL Bourreau départemental

Nombre de messages: 297 Age: 44 Localisation: Rotselaar - Belgique Emploi: secrétaire d'un avocat Date d'inscription: 30/07/2007
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foudurail Bourreau de village
Nombre de messages: 70 Age: 47 Localisation: Bruxelles Emploi: Cheminot Date d'inscription: 16/04/2007
 | Sujet: Re: Video de Fernand Meyssonnier Jeu 2 Aoû 2007 - 13:48 | |
| Moi de même  |
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jakez29 Aide non qualifié

Nombre de messages: 21 Localisation: environs de Brest Date d'inscription: 20/05/2006
 | Sujet: Video de Fernand Meyssonnier Jeu 20 Sep 2007 - 21:21 | |
| Encore un petit Youtube sur F Meyssonnier : http://fr.youtube.com/watch?v=nz_FO2kwEaI |
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Javier Monsieur de Paris

Nombre de messages: 788 Localisation: Euskadi Emploi: Retraité Date d'inscription: 07/06/2007
 | Sujet: Re: Video de Fernand Meyssonnier Jeu 10 Juil 2008 - 23:37 | |
| Bonsoir à tous,
Vidéo de Fernand Meyssonnier, Partie 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4BlCBLc16M
Vidéo de Fernand Meyssonnier, Partie 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FXl3hHqPSs À la fin de cette vidéo on voit Meyssonnier montrant une tête coupée. |
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foudurail Bourreau de village
Nombre de messages: 70 Age: 47 Localisation: Bruxelles Emploi: Cheminot Date d'inscription: 16/04/2007
 | Sujet: Re: Video de Fernand Meyssonnier Mar 29 Juil 2008 - 12:00 | |
| | Javier a écrit: | | À la fin de cette vidéo on voit Meyssonnier montrant une tête coupée. |
Perso ca m'a un peu choqué. Merci pour les vidéos ceci dit  |
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Emka Aide confirmé

Nombre de messages: 33 Age: 37 Localisation: Finistère Emploi: en recherche d'emploi Date d'inscription: 09/02/2009
 | Sujet: Sujet: Video de Fernand Meyssonnier Lun 23 Mar 2009 - 17:41 | |
| Hélas , je ne comprends pas la langue de l'interview ! Comment traduire un document vidéo , est-ce possible ? |
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Ananke Exécuteur cantonal

Nombre de messages: 117 Age: 58 Localisation: Braine l'Alleud - Belgique Emploi: Commissaire de Police à la retraite Date d'inscription: 21/02/2009
 | Sujet: Re: Video de Fernand Meyssonnier Mar 31 Mar 2009 - 16:03 | |
| Petite anecdote.
En vendant un livre aujourd'hui sur Delcampe, j'ai tiqué en voyant le nom de l'acheteur : Meyssonnier.
Je lui ai évidemment posé la question de savoir s'il était parent de l'exécuteur d'Alger : la réponse est oui.
Je lui ai donné l'adresse du forum en lui proposant d'y faire une visite. |
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